Joe D...HOF?

Da Realist:

what do you guys think of this article, particularly t! he argument against joe dumars? agree or disagree?

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/5348924

Gangsta D:

I'd have to agree. Dumars was a good player and a very good player in the '89 Finals. But he was never a great player. He may get in as an executive in 20 years, but not as a player.

Da Realist:

i found the article against ralph sampson interesting (and i agree with it). but it was interesting because all i've heard about ralph was that he was a flop while i heard bill walton is one of the 50 greatest. their stats aren't *that* far apart. i'm not a stats guy and i know stats don't tell the whole story, but do stats lie THIS much? one guy is a flop, the other guy is a great. similar numbers. i know bill was hurt and maybe i had to actually see him play but even the highlights don't offer much. the only thing we see of bill walton is the 1977 championship over the sixers and him waving the towel from the bench for the 86 celtics. we know ralph doesn't belong in the hall, but does BILL???

Gangsta D:

Bill Walton is the greatest center to ever lace them up. 22 of 23 in the '74 title game. The best passing big man in hist! ory. Come on, the guy is a giant...literally and figuratively. Plus he's Luke Walton's dad, the greatest 2nd round draft pick in history....

Waldini:

I agree Joe D is not a HOFer. He was a good not great player. I dont know if you guys saw TNT's list of the next 10 players that should be added to the top 50 lists. Charles Barkley said he would select Joe Dumars, Reggie Miller, and Dennis Johnson for that list b4 Kobe Bryant

Realist, thats your apocalypse for the day.

Da Realist:

did he say why?

Waldini:

He said right now Kobe has not done enough in his career to surpass those 3's accomplishments. He did say that in a few years, he believes will surpass those guys.

I still was like Kobe has surpassed those guys. Kenny Smith took it a step further and asked him "So what you're telling me is if you had a build a franchise around the guards on this list, you would pick those guys ahead of Kobe Bryant"....Charles never answered the question :-)

Da Realist:

kenny the jet made a good point