Let's Make A Freaking Deal!

[Apparently, Vinsanity is on the move as well. - ed. note]

Waldini:

What's the commission's take on all these NBA trades...probably should wait since I'm sure another "blockbuster" (laughing on these) trade will go down shortly

Cavs-Suns - Worst kept secret so far this season. Does it make the Cavs legit title contenders? Not really. Will it help ratings? Definitely. Mark it down. Christmas game - Magic/Cavs - the Battle for the rights to be called Superman. Wonder if Lebron is now Tom Hagen ;-)

Spurs-Bucks - People keep talking how the Lakers robbed Memphis but hell Pop just snuck into Milwaukee, kidnapped Richard Jefferson, and a bottle of Pabst. People are spending more time on the above trade, need to be talking how the Spurs just got a helluva lot better. They just need a banger at the 4....I would love to see them play LA.

Wolves-Wiz - Another sleeper and Robin Hood type deal, in favor of the Wiz. Gave up nothing, got more offensive firepower with Foye and Miller. Again, like Cavs doesn't make them title contenders but they can put points on the board. I just dont like they have Flip as their coach :-)

Also hearing Suns looking at dealing STAT and Barbosa to Rockets for T-Mac, Landry, and Brooks

Gangsta D:

Shaq and Bron are gonna get along great for the first two months. There'll be highlight dunks and exclamations of a possible 70 win season. Then in February, when Shaq realizes he's not gonna get more than 15 touches a game, he's gonna start complaining. Then it's gonna go to Hell, with the end result of the Cavs getting beaten in the ECF again. Then maybe Shaq will retire.

Waldini:

If he thought Van Panic couldnt coach, wait til he meets Mike Brown.....Or when Lebron starts saying I need more space to drive, Shaq will retort "He's a Hummer, I'm a mac truck, everyone knows what happens when a mack truck hits a hummer" Read more!

"I Watched The Death Of A Dynasty"

Waldini:

Let me save you some time. It was NOT a foul :-)

Da Realist:

It was a foul, but the Spurs played soft last night and they deserved to lose.

And Tim Duncan is soft, despite the numbers. he whines to the refs more than any other superstar ever. if anyone ever tells me he's a better player/leader than Olajuwon again i'll take away their baller-card until they catch up on some recent history.

Waldini:

there were plenty of possible fouls that didn't go the Lakers way last night. Plus you and I both know Brent Barry isn't getting that call. Unless it's one of the Big 3 on that team, not happening

Da Realist:

Well...that was a pretty obvious foul, Brent Barry or not. Maybe not as blatant as the Reggie Miller push on MJ, but still pretty blatant.

But still, it's poetic justice that the Spurs whined all night for calls and it turns out a non-call sealed their fate. maybe they'll get the lesson....stop WHINING.

Gangsta D:

How do you know the Spurs played soft? Did you actually watch more than 20 secs of the game? Lol

Da Realist:

I actually did, believe it or not. lol I watched the end of the 3rd quarter and all of the 4th after french class.

All i saw was Tim Duncan begging for fouls instead of going strong to the hoop. The Spurs offense reduced to Tony Parker over-dribbling and forcing shots. I saw the Lakers continuously out-quick the slow-footed spurs for rebounds and loose balls. in fact, the Lakers bullied them.

I hadn't seen anything that would suggest they can come back. Not saying it can't happen, but they would have to change their strategy, mindset and focus to just win another game.

Gangsta D:

The frustrating part of the series is that the Lakers should've won every game by double digits. They're not "elite" yet. But this series is over, and homecourt or a major injury is the only thing that can stop the Lakeshow from winning the title. Happy days are here again:)

Waldini:

Before the playoffs started, I had the Lakers going to at least the conference Finals. I was really concerned about them playing the Hornets or Spurs. I also thought Boston was going to steamroll through the East too until they played Detroit. I have been wrong about both :-).

The Lakers will beat whomever comes out the East.

Da Realist:

You believed in the CELTICS??? I think the Pistons could challenge, but definitely not the Celtics.

By the way...I didn't see Kobe go to the line last night. What's up with that? Didn't the refs get the edict from David Stern? lol...

Gangsta D:

Too bad Realist doesn't care about the NBA anymore. When the Lakers win the title, we won't be able to gloat.....Wait what am I talking about? Of course, we're gonna gloat. Your apathy can't save you! Read more!

Once Again It's On

Gangsta D:

Lakers vs Spurs

Just like old times. It's gonna feel real good beating them AGAIN. Honestly, I'm kind of surprised they pulled it out. After getting mollywhopped three times in NOLA, I thought they were pretty much done. I guess experience does matter in the end. I'm also shocked, SHOCKED, that Peja came up short in a Game 7. Who could've predicted that?

Waldini:

I expected NO to duplicate what they did in their previous 3 home games against the Spurs but oh well. Paul, West, and Chandler (to an extent) did their part. The rest of the team, not so much. That 3Q killed them. The rally was nice but if the game is on the line, I don't want my backup PG (Pargo) jacking up so many shots.

Enough of the past, onto the present. The best rivalry of this decade resumes after a 4 year gap. I officially became crunk for this last Friday after Ed Davis' homeboy said not only were the Spurs going to beat the Hornets but they were going to beat the Lakers in 6. I damn near choked on my Heinenken when he said that. Lakers in 7

Oh yea, you have to be satisfied with the NBA's Final 4. BOS-DET in the East, LAL-SAS in the West. For this round Gangsta, I'll be watching the Eastern Conference games.

Gangsta D:

Lakers-Spurs has never gone 7. Lakers in 6. I really think 5, but I don't want to jinx things. Lakers-Pistons in the Finals, for the 20 year Anniversary? If Detroit steals one of the first two in Boston, that series is over in 5. If the Pistons play like they care for a full 48 minutes in either game, they can do it. But it's hard to put any faith in Flip.

Waldini:

Spurs have never won a series trailing 2-0 or 3-2 either but they did this past round.

Gangsta D:

I'm still sticking to my guns. Remember in '01 I said Lakers in 5 and you were all "I don't know about that." Ok so I was wrong, but in a good way:)

I can't wait to see the Tim Duncan "I can't believe these guys are beating us again" face. The inevitable Bowen cheap shot on Kobe. Kobe flop slapping Ginobli. Mike Finley bricking three after three. Vlad space cadeting up a storm. It's gonna be great.

Waldini:

Touche. I don't man if the Lakers beat them in 6, then I'll obviously be pleasantly surprised. I think the difference in past series is that they could throw Bowen on Kobe and whoever was the 2 guard would guard Fox. This is different. You throw Bowen on Kobe, then who guards LO or Space Cadet. Manu? Finley? Thomas? Don't think so....

Da Realist:

I think the Lakers will probably win and go ahead to win the European Championships against the Pistons.

I do have to say this... I think that Tim Duncan article was on point. I understand that he's great and all that...but I want to see a killer inside him sometimes. I want to see some pride. That look D mentioned...that was so on point.

That keeps Tim from the Hakeem and Shaq level in my all-time list of big men. He takes losses too easily. Even last night...5-17???

If he has pride, he will think about how the Lakers have mostly gotten the better of him. Now they don't have Shaq...Tim needs to win this series or he will be 1-4 against them.

But I think we'll see a few 5-13s and 6-17s mixed into the series.

Waldini:

lmao on the Euro comment.

Do we realize we'll have 3 of the top 10 floppers (Ginobli, Horry, Fisher) of all time in this series? I can't wait for those offensive charges (sarcasm) Read more!

Make 'Em Say Uhhh

Waldini:

The 'mighty' Spurs are down 2-0 in a series for the 1st time since the eventual 2001 Champion Lakers had them down 2-0 in the conference finals that year. You wanted the Spurs to face adversity well now you got it.

Gangsta D:

This is more surprising that BOS-ATL. I fully expected the Spurs to take at least one game in NOLA. The series isn't over. Being down 0-2 is not a death sentence, as we all know from past experience. But they better start knocking Paul down or something. Cause a Game 3 loss will signal the end of a "dynasty." You thought I was gonna give them credit? Lol

Da Realist:

Knock him down? Why would the NBA approve of any sort of physicality? It's much more fun seeing Chris Paul and co waltz into the lane without being touched. Breathe on an nba player nowdays, you'll be sending him to the line 23 times in one game.

Can't use that strategy anymore.

Gangsta D:

Yep, that strategy totally didn't work on Tony Parker in '04. After getting hit in the mouth in Game 3, he KEPT going into the lane and the Spurs won that series. Oh wait, the exact opposite happened.

Da Realist:

2004 ain't 2008, bro

Gangsta D:

Maybe not, but how else are they gonna stop him? What they've been doing ain't working. If they keep it up, they're not gonna be doing it for much longer.

Waldini:

They have to try something. Besides letting Paul go off, they are also letting David West and Peja have their way. OMG, do you realize Mr April is actually playing well and it's May??!?!

Gangsta D:

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Where Dirk Getting "Deebo'd" Happens

Waldini:

It's been a minute since I have sat down and dedicated time to watch other 1st round playoff games besides the ones my boys play in BUT this wknd produced more sizzle than fizzle.

- Wiz-Cavs - a near fight before halftime, Lebron mocking Deshawn's I can't feel my face gesture, Gilbert going OFF in the 1st qtr. This series lived up to the hype in Game 1. I can only hope it continues in the other games (and goes more than 4 or 5 games

- Suns-Spurs - double OT thriller, All Stars fouling out (STAT, Mrs Longoria), Manu Manu being clutch in the 2nd OT, Duncan Stix with the unlikely 3 in the 1st OT, Shaq accusing the Spurs of flopping. Again, same comments as above for hope (and please Pop no Hack a Shaq next time, be a man)

- Mavs-Hornets - Hornets looking like they were going to prove their critics right, Peja looking like Mr March again, Kidd looking like a triple double waiting to happen...and BAM Chris Paul goes apes*** in the 3rd. And you have the ultimate b***h move in Dirk Diggler backing down to David West in the 4th. I'm not saying he should have swung on him but geez slap his hand away

- Jazz-Rockets - the only ho-hum game of the day.

- Magic-Raps - another ho-hum game, this time Sun's kickoff

- Lakers-Nuggets - not spectacular but not ho-hum either. I mean you had a tale of two halves or really 4th qtrs, Lakers up big in the 3rd, AI getting ejected in the 4th, lots of healthy conversation (as Kobe called it).

- Sixers-Pistons - Appeared to be ho-hum (I stopped watching to play NBA Live) and I come back in the 4th and the Sixers are leading. They go on to win which makes no sense. The Pistons are supposedly serious about getting back to the Finals but someone quoted them as goofing around with Flip Murray during timeout. I'm starting to believe that 2004 title was a fluke

- Celtics-Hawks - the ho-hum series of the 1st round meaning it was over before it began

I'm telling ya Realist, the quality of the games has been good, you really need to check it out if you haven't already. You actually see games where all 5 players on offense are moving instead of standing around and watching 1 or 2 players trying to either do an iso or pick and roll play

Gangsta D:

I doubt that Detroit is in trouble, but they're not good enough to turn it on and off. If they keep playing around, they're gonna be fishing with Kenny sooner than they thought.

As far as Spurs-Suns go, I hope they go 7 games and go into OT 3-4 more times. Tire them legs out! Lol

Denver isn't beating LA, as long as Kobe STOPS TAKING BAD SHOTS! lol

Da Realist:

I saw the 2 overtimes of the suns/spurs. Nice game. Saw Ginobli waltz in for a game-winning layup and had to check my watch to make sure it's April and not December. Had a nice conversation with someone who said Ginobli is the greatest clutch performer since Larry Bird. Well, not much of a conversation...more like he said it, and I started laughing uncontrollably LOL...

Those other games...are you serious? I don't care what the Wiz do, win or lose. The mavs are soft. I don't need to see Gasol hit 15 uncontested layups while Kobe clank shots against a bad defensive team. And you said yourself the other games were ho-hum. So i didn't exactly miss anything.

Waldini:

Ginobli? since Larry Bird? Does he have cable? I'm curious what did he base his argument on? I'll give him Ginobli's a beast but greatest clutch since 33 hung them up....um

Da Realist:

Man, that young guy... I work with him and he called me yesterday spouting that garbage. 25 year old punk. lol... I don't know what he based his argument on. I didn't give him a chance to defend it. Probably never even seen Larry Bird, even on tape. lol... Read more!

Who Ya Got?: NBA Playoffs Edition (Western Conference)

LA vs Denver

Gangsta D: Denver can score, obviously, but can't[won't] play a lick of defense. If the Lakers shoot 30 threes a game, instead of pounding inside, Denver will hang around. If they handle their business, it's a wrap, and not even close. Lakeshow in 5

Waldini: Denver's got the offense but no defense. Lakers' defense isn't the greatest but for this series, it doesn't have to be. I'll give Denver a game for AI's heart. Lakers in 5

Da Realist: [How do you say Kobe eats a fat one Serbian?] *


NOLA vs Mavs

Gangsta D: This one I'm torn on. CP3 will DESTROY Kidd. The Hornets are on a mystical magical carpet ride, but is the ride about to come to a crashing halt? Dallas has been playing well of late, and Dirk has hit some big shots. The Hornets have some playoff experience, but are they gonna lean on Bonzi and Peja for guidance? Didn't think so. The Hornets will be a threat for years to come, but they bow out early this year. Mavs in 7

Waldini: One of the 2 WC 1st rd series I want to see. True, NO does have players with playoff experience but one of them is Mr April himself, Peja. It would be easy to pick Dallas b/c of this but I'm still not sold on Dirk being courageous for playing on a sprained ankle. Bottom line, he curled up big time in '06 and '07. Interesting series. Hornets in 7

Da Realist: [I'd rather watch "The Birdman" smoke a bowl, while Flavor Flav clips his toenails, then watch this travesty]


Suns vs Spurs

Gangsta D: Wow. Either Shaq or Duncan will be fishing before Memorial Day this year. Marinate on that one:) There's still plenty of enmity between these two teams, and it may be the most hard fought 1st round series. It's really a toss up for me. I have no idea who wins. If Manu is healthy, maybe the Spurs have the edge. On the other hand, the Spurs have no answer for STAT. Suns in 7

Waldini: The other WC 1st rd series I want to see. Shaq vs Duncan, Nash vs Parker, I expect a physical series again. Doubt there will be any hip check incidents like last year. Steve Kerr is about to find out if he is indeed an idiot or a genius. I tend to go with the former. Spurs in 6.

Realist: [I'm running out of ways of intimating that this shit sucks. How about...this shit sucks.]


Houston vs Utah

Gangsta D: Utah does NOT have homecourt advantage, even though they're the higher seed. They are physically incapable of beating good teams on the road. Houston plays tough defense and McGrady does enough to finally get past the first round. Rockets in 7

Waldini: The Jazz need HC advantage in every series but this one to have a chance. Who starts for Alston since he's out the first 2 games? Who's going to pick up the offensive slack besides T-Mac? This same matchup happened in the first round last year with Houston also having HC (and a healthy Yao). And Houston still lost in 7 at home. Utah wins, just can't figure out if it's 6 or 7 games. What the hell, Jazz in 7

Da Realist: [Do I have to say how much you suck when your season depends on Skip To My Lou being healthy? Didn't think so.]

*Realist continues his boycott against this bullshit we call the NBA playoffs.

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Why Are We Still Talking About The Spurs?

Waldini:

I was listening to Dan Patrick's show earlier today and heard the interview with Robert Horry. Interesting tidbits:

- He was asked which team was better, the Spurs or the Lakers...After stalling a few mins, he said the 2001 Lakers were in such a groove, he didnt think anyone could stop that squad. He was also asked to name the players on the team, and rattled off Kobe, Shaq, Harper, Ho Grant, Fox and that was it :-).Guess he forgot D Fish caught FIRE that year
- He was asked who's the better big man, Shaq or Tim. Without hesistation, said Tim. Went on to say he's more versatile on both ends of the floor but did acknowledge Shaq was the dominant person in his area

On a side note, isnt it the funny the least celebrated member of the original big 3 in Dallas won a title before his more popular ex-teammates??

Gangsta D:

Actually, the "original" original Big 3 in Dallas was Kidd, Mashburn, and Jackson:)

Da Realist:

more horry...and fisher

Waldini:

It's funny to see all these articles about lack of respect on the Spurs. And I "loved" the comparisons to the recent dynasties. But for them to believe these Spurs would match up well with any of those is ridiculous. Ok, Jemele used the Celtics as a gauge. Who guards Bird? Bowen? Puhlease, the diff btw Bird and Lebron is a jump shot. And the former made lots of them with premier defenders on him. And DJ would be the Celtics' answer to Brucie on D. She mentioned the Bulls. In his prime there was NO one that stopped Jordan.

Ughh I'm getting exhausted typing on two teams I didnt like but definitely respected :-). So no Laker breakdown from moi

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Yeah Yeah Yeah....

Da Realist:

i guess tonight is the night the spurs will ask dr. buss to hand over the title. no, not THAT title. that's david stern's job. i mean the "best team of the decade" title. it's been in lala land since 2000 and with 2 years to go the spurs are taking it from them (for good?).

an old high school buddy just happens to be a big spurs fan (mostly cause he was a tall, soft big man that played more like david robinson because he didn't like getting banged in the paint. but you don't have to tell him that). anyway, he's been BLOWING up my phone every night trying to get me to watch the games. i guess i'll finally sit down to watch the full game tonight only because the champs at least deserve for me to sit and watch them win it. i've never missed a clinching game before, i won't start now. even if i would rather watch a french movie with english subtitles.

anyway, he made a good point last night and i wanted to see what you guys thought of this.

his point... if the spurs win next year, they are doing in the 00's what the lakers did in the 80's. lakers won 5 titles in 9 years. spurs would have won 5 titles in 10 years with another to go. for all the talk of kobe and shaq, isn't it ironic that the spurs are the team that most embodies those old laker championship squads while kobe/shaq is more like the 80's celtics?

i said, but in the 80's the lakers beat the celtics 2-1. in 00's the spurs are 1-3 against kobe/shaq.

he said still...5 (or 6) titles always trumps 3, even if they were in a row.

Gangsta D:

"for all the talk of kobe and shaq, isn't it ironic that the spurs are the team that most embodies those old laker championship squads while kobe/shaq is more like the 80's celtics?"

All I will say is this. How in the name of God do these Spurs embody the 80's Lakers?!?

Waldini:

your friend's an idiot. Period :-)

yea but ask him he thinks any of the Spurs championships teams would beat the lakers 2001 squad. If he even names one, then I know he's thinking with his heart and not his mind. Read more!

Debating Duncan Stix

Da realist:

where do you rate him?

Spurs star isn’t flashy, explosive, but is game’s ultimate winner — like Mike

Gangsta D:

I don't know if Duncan is the ultimate winner, hyperbole alert, but he is one of the greatest ever. He's incredibly boring and I wouldn't pay to see him play, but his greatness is undeniable.

Da Realist:

i honestly don't know how i feel about tim duncan. (sounds like the reverse of our conversation about roger federer yesterday lol...)

Waldini:

Can you name a PF during our era that accomplished more individually as a player AND won as much as a team member? McHale matches him number of titles won, Malone matches him in MVP awards won but neither won the other. He's a ratings killer, his wife is white AND not Carmen Electra fine, he's got the worst case of acne next to Carlos boozer BUT compared to most of the league, he's crazy efficient. SHoot he singlehandley saved the Admiral's career

Gangsta D:

"I don't know what the man has to do to convert you over." lol

Da Realist:

i don't know what i'm looking for. he's a great player. i guess it's skewed me somewhat that he couldn't lead his teams to wins against the lakers from 2000-2002. it ain't just that they lost, they were EMBARASSED. they never really scared the lakers like portland in 2000 or sacto in 2000/2002. i do give them credit for beating you guys in 2003, but they were supposed to that year. then they lose the next year???

it just seems like he wins during the *absence* of a great team. like this year. none of his teams were great, just good enough to beat the average competition he faced.

Gangsta D:

True, that's kind of how I feel but you still have to give him credit. Neither the Suns nor the Jazz could win when Jordan retired the first time, so he does win when he's supposed to. That counts for something. and trust me, it's HARD giving Duncan praise:)

Waldini:

VERY HARD

Da Realist:

he deserves credit, but.. for every great championship run there's an inexplicable loss the next year. they've never repeated. they've never even been to the finals 2 year in a row yet.

he's a consistent threat. he produces numbers every game, but the spurs need a few things to win other than tim duncan

1) the absence of a great team

2) they mustn't have won the year before

3) somehow bypass the team that would have challenged them the most (dallas this year)

4) the supporting cast has to be awesome and get a lot of (flopping) calls while the refs look the other way at some (hacking) questionable fouls on the perimeter (bowen)

5) face a scrub east team (the lone exception -- 2005 detroit)

Gangsta D:

That's why I don't think he's the ultimate winner. They've never really beaten a great team. Maybe the '05 Pistons qualify as very good, but not great. Nevertheless, he usually comes through.....unless it's when he's getting smoked by the '01 Lakers....and has been the best player on three, soon to be four, championship teams. Yep, had to throw that fastball at his head. What else can i brag about right now? lol

Da Realist:

i definitely don't want to get THAT started... Read more!

Playoff Musings And Whatnot

Waldini:

So I'm sitting at home last night, decide to flip to the Jazz-Warriors game. I wanted to see what the fuss was about since folks were proclaiming after Game 1, this will be THE semifinal series to watch. The score is 75-63 and I'm thinking it's the 4th qtr. So i am saying what's go great about a low scoring game. I didnt realize until the final 20 secs that it was only the 3rd qtr and the score was 90-89 (which makes sense since there were players on the floor I've never heard of). I watched the entire 4th qtr and OT even though I was draggin a$$.

I tell ya what, I'm officially on this series bandwagon. If the games are anything like Game 2, it is fun to watch. Up and down, running and popping, 3s raining like no other, great PG matchup btw Baron and Deron, AK-47 rediscovering his game, Mehmet making the Pistons wonder how they let him go, Stephen Jackson throwing a fit every time someone touches him, J Rich proving he's more than a two time dunk champion, etc.....

Definitely a retro NBA throwback to the old days

Gangsta D:

Yeah, I caught the 4th qtr and stuck it out. GSW really have no conscious. It's ultimately gonna be they're downfall, but it's entertaining. They really are the real life version of NBA Live '95:) This series probably goes 7 games. The playoffs need it because the East is HORRIBLE! Maybe the Bulls will come to life and maybe the Nets and Cavs will play with some flair, but I doubt it. I still think the Spurs are going to handle the Suns in 5 or 6. So, everything falls on B-Diddy's shoulders:) i never though the Jazz would be involved in two of the more uptempo exciting games of the playoffs. What in the name Jeff Hornacek is going on here?

Da Realist:

yeah...after watching game 2 of the suns/spurs, i'm now leaning more toward "spurs in six" than "it'll go seven". nash is the only true gamer on the team.

so here's the question, because i believe it is probably a more than 50% chance tim gets another ring this year. how many his rings do each of you count? does he have two or three in your book? two and a half? if he gets another, he will officially have 4 (as many as shaq) and could probably win a couple more. would this longevity trump the lakers flashflood-like 3 titles in 3 years?

in other words, if san antonio wins another, wouldn't they have just as much claim (maybe even more) to the title "team of the decade" as your lakers do so far?

Gangsta D:

He has two and a half:) Part of me says they have just as much right to that claim, cause they've been more consistent. But, we did beat them 3 out of 4 series this decade. It would've been 4 out of 4 if Big Shot Rob had another bullet in the chamber:) When both teams were at their best, they couldn't beat us in the playoffs. But you can't discount their consistency. They're always in the discussion.

Da Realist:

i would go with that argument for the lakers, but if he wins this year it'll be 4 (or 3 and a half) rings. then it gets a little more difficult. especially when you consider that san antonio will be close to who they are 2 years from now...3 years from now...etc. you gotta believe they'll squeeze another title out of there somewhere.

they may be the T.O.T.D, but what the stats won't say is HOW they won their titles. the spurs are the beneficiaries of the absence of a truly dominant team. they won in 99 after the bulls imploded. they won in 2003 after the lakers imploded. there was no dominant team in 2005 so they just took it. this year, dallas imploded and phoenix is a little overrated.

remember the tortoise and the hare parable? the spurs are the tortoise.

Waldini:

Funny I was thinking about this over the wknd. If I had to compare both teams it would be the NHL equivalent of the NJ Red Devils and Colorado Avalanche in the 90s. The Spurs, like the Red Devils, never won consecutive titles but they did win one ever 2 or 3 yrs. The Lakers, like the Avalanche, had mini dynasty going on.

Ok to answer your question, technically they can if you are purely counting titles as the only criteria. However, if you stack up both championship team rosters in their prime, which team do you think would win? I still think the most dominant teams of this decade were the 2001 and 2002 Lakers (completely unbiased of course, lol).

Gangsta D:

In those years we beat them in 4 games then 5 games, respectively. The '01 series was supposed to be one of the greatest WCF in history, and we destroyed them. However, they've had a much longer period of eilte success. Maybe it balances out. Maybe they come out ahead. It's like a baseball hall of fame argument. Do you reward stat accumulators that play for 20 years, or do you reward a player that shone incredibly bright for a short period of time?

Da Realist:

stat accumulators? :-D i can tell what side of the argument you are on!

Gangsta D:

I'm trying to be reasonable and measured in my analysis. Don't want to be considered a Laker homer:) Read more!